"I don't know. Man, at the end, at the end Tom was just a different person. He wouldn't even speak for himself anymore. He was communicating with me and Travis through our manager, and when he wanted something or needed something changed for whatever reason, we would sit down and it would be me and Travis sitting on one side of the room and Tom and our old manager on the other side of the room. Tom would sit there like this [head down] and our manager would do all the talking for him at that point. Even when he quit the band he didn't quit the band. He had his manager call and say, 'Tom's not in the band anymore. He's changed his phone number. He doesn't want to talk to you guys, so...'"